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Ground Zero Mosque

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, August 19, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

The proposal to build an Islamic cultural centre including a mosque within a short distance of Ground Zero is causing Americans a lot of heartache – and while I can understand the pain it must cause for many in the US, I cannot undertsand how some are connecting all Muslims with the murders of 9/11. It’s a bit like the people of Warrington being upset at the Catholics building a new church within a few blocks of where t...


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John Roberts - a nonconformist martyr

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, July 19, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 



Media outlets in Wales like the BBC and Golwg360 thought the fact that the Welsh language was spoken in an official capacity for the first time in Westminster Cathedral was the worthy story on Saturday, and not the fact that the British State used to execute Christians. The great and the good of England and Wales gathered in that great non-conformist cathedral to celebrate the martyrdom of John Roberts, Trawsfynydd.

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An emerging church - Post-Christendom 12

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, July 6, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

A howl of anguish is the most frequent response by Christians as the church continues to see how its influence is diminished in the UK. Indeed, this diminishing is sometimes portrayed as the beginnings of persecution as some on the right become ever more strident in their views. Whatever our views on this, we would all have to agree that the church is becoming more marginal in its influence on Western society today. The que...


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The Tories and the promotion of homosexuality

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, June 22, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Homosexuality is an ideology that is being imposed upon us by the new Conservative government. Or so suggests a leading Christian campaigning group as it calls on its followers to protest against the government’s equality agenda. Christian Concern for our Nation refers to the newly published equality programme by Home Secretary, Theresa May, as a ‘major departure from the views held’ by her ‘personally and by her party mo...


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Mission and other faiths - an emerging church and post-Christendom 12

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, June 21, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

In London people protest when talk of building a ‘super-mosque’ is in the air; in Barcelona they want to ban the burqa; in Switzerland they want to ban minarets. All over Europe, it seems there is a backlash against Islam and so often Christians are to be found among those protesting. Living in a plural society – a society with many faiths and none – is obviously a difficult concept in the 21st century.

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An emerging church - Post-Christendom 11

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, June 15, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

It’s been a while since I last posted on Stuart Murray’s Post-Christendom. The last post was my resume from the book of what empire church is like. If you want a reminder of where Murray has taken us so far it may be worth spending some time reading that post which deals with the legacy given to us by Christendom.

In chapter 8 Murray begins to suggest some ways forward in this the beginning of the post-Chris...


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Living with Islam

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, June 7, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Today the polling company YouGov have released their findings from a survey on British attitudes towards Islam. Headline figures include the following stats: 58% associate Islam with extremism; 40% do not believe Muslims have a positive impact on society; and 70% believe it is a religion that represses women. Astoundingly some 50% link it with terrorism.

It shouldn’t take us much thinking time to realise how i...


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Syncretism in empire church

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, June 3, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 


On my way to Holyhead this morning I listened to an episode of Radio 4's A History of the World in 100 Objects. The subject of this episode was a fourth century mosaic from a Roman villa in Dorset depicting Jesus. - the Hinton  St Mary Mosaic. It is dated circa 350 AD and is presumed to be an early example of such a depiction of Jesus, since prior to 312 (when Constantine was 'converted') very few images of Jesus were created - if any.

The interesting thing about this particular mosaic was tha...

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John Humphries and adjusting to a new landscape

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, May 19, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

John ‘the rottweiler’ Humphreys showed how difficult it is to break out of the mould this morning as he interviewed the new Home Secretary, Theresa May, on the Today programme. He was pressing her about the Tories’ attitude towards the Human Rights Act and the very different approach they have to it compared to their partners in government, the Lib Dems. Apparently the Tories are very anti while the Lib Dem...


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Westminster 2010 - a response

Posted by Dyfed Roberts on Tuesday, April 13, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Westminster 2010 claims to be a ‘declaration of Christian conscience’. It was launched on Easter Sunday at the start of what is an important General Election in the UK. With some thirty influential church leaders being among the first signatories, it certainly packs a punch and is a shot across the bows of all political parties at this time. Its unmistakeable aim is to stand up for ‘Christian’ values at a t...

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An emerging church - Post-Christendom 10

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, April 7, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

The church shaped by the
Roman Empire gave us an institution that bears little resemblance to the vision of the body of Christ in the New Testament. Before going on to look at the principles for finding a new shape suggested by Stuart Murray in his Post-Christendom, let’s recap on what he has been saying so far in chapters 1 to 7. How has the church been shaped by empire?

  • Empire church is a church that enjoys pri...

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Freedom, control and the Holy Spirit

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, March 31, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

We often look at what one church or even a whole church movement is doing and get excited about their success. They start an Alpha course in a run down estate and see some young single mums start following Jesus, and we think, ‘Great. This is what God is doing these days’. Well, maybe. But what if we – just for a moment – take our eyes off the micro and look at the macro? What if we were to look back acro...


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An emerging church - Post-Christendom 9

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, March 30, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

In the previous post from Stuart Murray’s book I emphasised the work of the radical reformers, the Anabaptists. But despite their sterling work Christendom was pretty much untouched by the upheaval of the 16th century. However, in chapter 7 Murray suggests that the ‘seeds of destruction had been sown’ in that period (page 178). He identifies four factors that have led to the slow death of Christendom since ...


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Is your church a bus or a body?

Posted by Dyfed on Monday, March 29, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

What model of church do you follow in your church? There are two basic types which I can think of: there’s the ‘church as bus’ model and then there’s the ‘church as body’. Now we know which the New Testament model is – it is ‘church as body’. Paul in his first letter to Corinthians makes this very clear and gives a lengthy teaching on it. We would all probably claim that this is also the model w...


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Power and its abuse in church

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, March 23, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Responding to the Roman Catholic Church’s deeply troubling problems over the abuse of children is difficult. I do not want to be stirring waters that are not mine to stir. Neither do I want to say anything that causes more pain to those who have been hurt. However there is a lesson for all churches to learn from this most disturbing of episodes and it is to do with power and how it used and abused by church.

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Michael Schiffmann and Antioch, Llanelli

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, March 18, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Yesterday I was down in Llanelli for a meeting with the German prophet, Michael Schiffmann, and the leadership of Antioch along with a couple from Cardiff. I suppose we’re all very much fellow travellers along the emerging church route, though at different stages – with me some distance behind!

Michael shared some his own journey and thoughts about emerging church and about where church in general has not been fulfilling her...


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Emerging church - Post-Christendom 8

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, March 16, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Though the Protestant Reformers changed much within the church in the 16th century, they left Christendom intact. Not only that but they also persecuted those who took the Reformation deeper and further and who wanted to dismantle the church-state system built since the fourth century. They were known as the Anabaptists – the ‘second baptisers’ – labelled as such because of their practise of baptising tho...


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Do we have apostles today?

Posted by Dyfed on Friday, March 12, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

One biblical word that has made a bit of a come back in the past few years is ‘apostolic’. Its current definition seems to include roughly three activities: church planting; works of miracles, especially in healing; and overseeing a number of local churches. As all three can be seen as apostolic ministry in the New Testament then the title/label is carried over from scripture to the present day. The simple me...


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How should the church act during the forthcoming election?

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, March 10, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 
This is a great article by Jonathan Bartley of the Ekklesia think tank. It suggests how the church should do politics in this post-Christendom period. If you read anything today - this should be it.

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Emerging church - Post-Christendom 7

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, March 9, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 
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Did the Reformation change Christendom? Surprisingly not is Stuart Murray’s answer in chapter 5 of Post-Christendom. Though the Protestant Reformation brought about much needed change to doctrine and many church practices, very little was done as far as the church’s connection to the state is concerned. ‘They refined it, fractured it and shifted the balance of power within it towards the secular a...


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Emerging church - Post-Christendom 6

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, March 2, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Stuart Murray’s description of Christendom in the late Medieval period is scathing: it was ‘monolithic, totalitarian and seemingly impervious to critique’ (Post-Christendom, page 132). And yet there were dissenting voices to be heard all over Europe at this time. That those dissenters faced the wrath of Christendom through suppression and persecution tells us a great deal about what a threat they were deeme...


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Civil partnerships and the disestablishment of the Church of England

Posted by Dyfed on Thursday, February 25, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

I see the bishops have been stirring it up again, this time on the issue of allowing civil partnerships to be conducted on religious premises. They’re pushing for a change in the Equality Bill currently before the House of Lords – the one they recently successfully changed on the issue of bringing equal opportunity rights into employment issues in churches. They didn’t like that change as it would have forced...


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Emerging church - post-Christendom 5

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, February 24, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Under Christendom the church became the dominant force in society. Indeed by the 12th century the church was able to exercise power over countries and their rulers in Western Europe. ‘No secular ruler could rival papal wealth or authority,’ says Stuart Murray in Post-Christendom as he paints a picture of a totalitarian church in the late medieval period (page 110). Dissent was not welcomed at all by this time...


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Christendom dismantled - the Conservative Party and Christian values

Posted by Dyfed on Wednesday, February 17, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

Two recent announcements made by the Conservative Party reflect how far they too have moved away from traditional and conservative Christian values. Of course, both Labour and the Lib Dems have distanced themselves from social conservatism a long time ago, but the Tories were pretty much signed up members of the ‘keep the UK a Christian country’ until very recently and could be counted on to defend Christian values on issues such as marriage. But as society has changed so have the polit...


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Emerging Church - Post-Christendom 4

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, February 16, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

So how was the church shaped by being at the heart of Empire? What effects did imperial patronage have upon its mission? In his fourth chapter of Post-Christendom, Stuart Murray examines some of these issues. He begins by outlining how significant to this was one particular theologian and thinker. For if the church was to accept what the Empire wanted then someone had to come up with the theology that made it all...


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Post-Christendom - 3

Posted by Dyfed Roberts on Tuesday, February 9, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

On 3 March 321 AD the Roman Emperor, Constantine, passed two particular laws which show how mixed his faith really was. The first called on all judges, inhabitants of cities and craftsmen to rest on a Sunday, though farmers were allowed to work as necessary. The second law called for an inquiry to be made of soothsayers if a building was struck by lightening as to what the omen meant. If the first law ‘proves’ that Constantine was indeed a Christian, then the second surely causes us to do...


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Post-Christendom - 2

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, February 2, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 

The first step in trying to shape the future is to understand the past, and Stuart Murray’s volume Post-Christendom uses many chapters to detail the history of how the church became dominant in Western Europe.

He begins by taking us back to the fourth century AD when an emperor from the eastern half of the Roman Empire, Constantine, supposedly became a Christian in 312 as he was attempting to wrest control of the whole empire. He succeeded in his quest and was sole emperor until his...


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Post-Christendom

Posted by Dyfed on Tuesday, January 26, 2010, In : Post-Christendom 
Can we continue to ‘do church’ in the same that we have done it for the past 1600 years? Or has the landscape we now occupy in Western Europe changed so much that we have to look again at our practices and change? My answer to the first question is ‘no’ and to the second ‘yes’. Christian faith and culture has become marginalised; far from being a dominant force able to shape society in our own image, we have become one minority group among many. And we have to respond to this chan...
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